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Din pacate, luna Aprilie debuteaza cu o veste proasta. Am primit mesajul de mai jos de la Paudio.

Dear P Audio Distributors,

We regret to inform you that we are facing dramatic and unpredictable price increases from all of our Neodymium permanent magnet suppliers.
Neodymium raw materials in the world market have increased significantly due to policy changes and market announcements made by the Chinese government.

Recently, the price of neodymium permanent magnets has increased by over 100% and the price quotes from our suppliers are honored for only 24 hours.

We will honor our quoted prices until June 30th, 2011 and will announce new prices on July 1st 2011.
For all transducers and speaker cabinets that utilize Neodymium in the transducer, we will only be able to supply quotes when we receive your inquiries.

We hope that the current instability in the market will ease in the near future but suggest you consider conversion to Ferrite magnetics for your designs.
As of now, please contact your sales representative to check your order status and place orders immediately to ensure the current pricing to check your order status and place orders immediately to ensure the current pricing.

Sincerely Yours,
Sales / Marketing Department
P. Audio System Co. LTD


Din păcate, cam aceeași situație este la toată lumea, nu numai la PAudio.
Chinezii vor să îi forțeze pe toți producătorii de difuzoare să se mute în China, acordând niște prețuri preferențiale celor care produc acolo.
Trebuie spus că la ora actuală China deține monopolul pământurilor rare. Au 95% din piață.

În concluzie, trecem la loc pe megneți clasici, sau plătim în plus.

Încă un mesaj ...
Primit de la un furnizor chinez de furnituri diverse.



Dear Friend!

How are you?
First of all, we thank you very much for your trust and support on us for all these years.

As everybody knows, every factory in China is now facing 3 huge difficulties:

1) Labor force cost keep on increasing lead to the factory management cost increasing.

2) Raw material increasing makes manufacture cost higher and higher.

3) RMB is going on appreciation.

All the above factors make us, as a factory, bearing huge pressure now.



However, because ********* is always very serious in business. We never play price games.
So we won’t increase any pricelist at random. We will very seriously check our price system based on current situation change.
Now our financial Dept is carefully re-calculating price based on our BOM list.
The new pricelist will come out on around 15th April. We will keep you updated about this important issue then.

Thanks for your attention on the above.
Best wishes

P.S.
Care știe cum se face, vă rog mutați acest mesaj la anunțuri în topicul de discuții generale.

AlNiCo unde se afla ca si pret? si ce proprietati(greutate/forta magnetica,demagnetizare etc) are fata de neodimium?
Daca e usor si AlNiCo(eu asa cred luand in calcul masele atomice)ar putea fi o solutie ,daca din punct de vedere financiar si tehnic merita.

Nu este nici AlNiCo o solutie viabila din cauza pretului ridicat.
Ce se intampla acum cu NEO s-a intamplat in anii '70 cu AlNiCo

Rare earth (RE) elements are a collection of seventeen chemical elements in the periodic desk of the chemical elements, namely :
lanthanum (La),
cerium (Ce),
praseodymium (Pr),
neodymium (Nd),
promethium (Pm),
samarium (Sm),
europium (Eu),
gadolinium (Gd),
terbium (Tb),
dysprosium (Dy),
holmium (Ho),
erbium (Er),
thulium (Tm),
ytterbium (Yb),
lutecium (Lu),
scandium (Sc)
yttrium(Y)

Currently, there are near 170 enterprises engaging in rare earth ore exploitation, smelting and separation in China.


In 2009, the production of rare earth products in China was 129,400 tons (calculated by rare earth oxide), rising by 3.94% YOY.
China’s rare earth resources account for about 30% in the planet.
But, about 95% of the rare earth products in the planet are bent and supplied by China.

In the 1980s, the rare earth smelting and separation technology popularized by the three state-owned rare earth factories in Baotou, Shanghai and Zhujiang spread over China rapidly. The production capacity of rare earth smelting and separation products also expanded swiftly, far exceeding the market demand and forming the situation of oversupply and low-price competition.

In the 1990s, China started the large-scale exploitation and export of rare earth.
With low exploitation cost (ignoring the environment cost), China’s cheap rare earth dominates the planet market.
As a result, most other countries terminated the exploitation of rare earth.

Though China is a large rare earth producing country, the development of Chinese rare earth industry lags behind developed countries. Chinese rare earth enterprises mainly produce upstream and midstream products of low added regard, high pollution and high energy consumption. They fall far behind developed countries in the production of downstream expensive rare earth devices and terminal application products.

Due to the extensive management of rare earth resource exploitation and scattered distribution of the rare earth industry, many foreign importers take this opportunity to force down the price. When the global demand for rare earth materials increases year by year, China exported 6,100 tons of medium-end and low-end rare earth products in 1990; the average price was 13,600 USD/ton. In 2009, China exported 36,100 tons of rare earth smelting and separation products, rising by 16.67% YOY. The export regard amounted to USD 310 million and the average price was only 8,959 USD/ton.

Chinese government has begun to formulate the Access Conditions of Rare Earth Industry since 2009.
In May 2010, the Access Conditions of Rare Earth Industry (Draft for Soliciting Opinions) was published.

In contemporary years, the concentration of Chinese rare earth industry is improved considerably. A number of large enterprises have set about the M&A of the rare earth industry. In July 2007, Aluminum Corporation of China merged China Rare Earth Exploitation Companionship and made the rare earth industry its development focus in the future. In June 2008, with the funds of CNY 430 million, Jiangxi Copper Corporation successfully won the mining right in Maoniuping rare-earth-constituent (REE) deposit, Sichuan. In August 2008, China Minmetals Corporation, Ganxian Hongjin Rare Earth Co., Ltd and Dingnan Dahua Advanced Material Resources Co., Ltd cofounded China Minmetals Rare Earth Co., Ltd.

China practices the quota license administration on the export of rare earth products since 1998.
In contemporary years, Chinese government cuts down the volume of export enterprises, export quotas and annual exploitation volume of rare earth ores. China’s Ministry of Commerce declared that the total export quota of rare earth products of domestic-funded enterprises was 50,000 tons in 2005, 34,000 tons in 2008. In 2009, it set the total export quota of 50,145.1 tons for domestic-funded and foreign-funded enterprises. In 2010, it cuts down the export quota to 30,258 tons, including 22,512 tons for domestic-funded enterprises and 7,746 tons for foreign-funded enterprises. The reduction of the export quota leads to the rise of China’s rare earth smuggling.

Presently, the rare earth smelting and separation capacity of China is over 200,000 ton/year. In 2009, China’s rare earth production came to 129,400 tons and the global rare earth consumption was about 90,000 tons. It is forecast that the production is over 130,000 tons in 2010. It remains hard to change the situation of oversupply. Though foreign countries enhance the rare earth exploration recently, it will not produce substantive influence on the supply in the rare earth market at present.

Neodymium iron boron permanent magnet is the leading product among rare earth attractive materials.
In 2009, the production of neodymium iron boron permanent magnet was 94,000 tons in China. Presently, besides the wide application in traditional sectors, some new application areas of neodymium iron boron, such as wind power, new energy vehicle, and energy-saving compressor are also emerging with the advent of the low-carbon economy era. With the development of new application areas, it is forecast that the global neodymium iron boron industry will maintain the growth rate of 15% in the coming five years, whereas Chinese neodymium iron boron industry will maintain the growth rate of 20%.

Rare earth is widely applied in traditional sectors (e.g. metallurgy, petro chemistry and textiles) and high-tech sectors (e.g. attractive material, luminescent material and hydrogen storage material). With the advent of the low-carbon economy era, rare earth will encounter new development opportunities.

Presently, China’s production capacity of rare earth luminescent materials is about 10,000 tons. In 2009, China bent about 7,200 tons of rare earth glowing powder, ranking the planet Top. The three-band glowing lamp (energy saving lamp) industry consumed 75% of rare earth luminescent materials as the major application area of luminescent materials. The three-band glowing lamp with the advantages of energy saving and long lifespan will increasingly replace the incandescent lamp. In 2009, China bent over 3 billion three-band glowing lamps. If 80% of the incandescent lamps are replaced, 3 billion three-band glowing lamps will be needed every year. Hence, the annual demand for glowing powder is about 10,000 tons. By 2015, the total demand for three-band glowing powder will be about 60,000 tons.

In 2009, China bent 19,000 tons of rare earth hydrogen storage materials. They consumed 7,900 tons of rare earth, accounting for 11% of the total rare earth consumption. Rare earth hydrogen storage materials are major raw materials for the production of nickel-hydrogen battery. As nickel-hydrogen battery shows positive development prospects in the electric tool and electric vehicle sectors, it is forecast that China’s hybrid electric vehicle market will buy explosive growth after 2010 and the annual growth rate will reach 12%.

In 2008, the consumption of rare earth polishing powder in the planet was 20,000 tons, including 8,000 tons for LCD. In contemporary years, with the booming of the LCD industry, high-performance polishing powder has achieved quick development. Presently, the production capacity of rare earth polishing powder in China exceeded 150 million tons. It is forecast that China’s annual production capacity of rare earth polishing powder will reach 20,000 tons in 2010.

In 2009, the rare earth consumed in Chinese petrochemical catalytic cracking sector was about 7,500 tons. It is forecast that China’s crude oil processing volume will maintain over 500 million tons in 2015-2020. The rare earth for FCC catalysts will exceed 10,000 tons. Besides, with the considerable growth of the demand for rare earth catalytic materials in the fields of fuel cell, water pollution control, air purification, etc., China’s total demand for rare earth catalytic materials will exceed 17,000 tons in 2015-2020.

With the rapid development of high-tech industries, the global rare earth consumption maintains continuous growth. It is predicted that the consumption will reach about 100,000 tons in 2010 and 200,000 tons in 2015. In the small term, Chinese rare earth industry will be faced with oversupply. Nonetheless, considering the strengthening of China’s control over the exploitation and export quotas of rare earth as well as the quick demand growth in the downstream application industries, Chinese rare earth industry still shows positive prospects.

The instability of the Rare Earth metals industry in China has escalated to new heights over the past year, severely impacting the production and pricing of Rare Earth magnets, such as neodymium.

We have experienced steady price increases over the past year. The pressures of higher demand and lower supply have caused price increases of 50% during the last week of February 2011. Neither Master Magnetics, nor any other U.S.-based magnet company has control over it.

For current pricing and availability on any neodymium magnet or magnetic assembly containing neodymium, please contact your sales representative directly, call 1.888.293.9399 or send us an e-mail.

We will continue to provide the most current information available to you on this page.

As always, you can continue to rely on all of us at Master Magnetics to work with you to meet your needs. We value your business and appreciate your understanding of this unprecedented situation.

Here is a recap of factors that have caused this dramatic increase in pricing for Rare Earth metals:

Foreign factors affecting price and availability

U.S.A. and China currency exchange rate.
Chinese Government set quotas and environmental controls on mining RE raw materials (much of which is earmarked to be used in China).
Chinese Government environmental restrictions on pollution output.
Reduction of coal powered factories forcing the use of alternate, more expensive forms of energy to generate clean electricity. Smaller manufacturers have shut down.
Chinese worker wage increases averaging 25% to 40%.
High demand. Low supply. Longer lead times. Higher prices.

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Atunci se pare ca Ferita e solutia fiabila dpdv financiar.Oricum nu sunt exagerat de grele difuzoarele pe ferita(Selenium stie ,nici C18ELF nu e un difuzor greu )

da, se pare ca pana cand se maturizeaza noile tehnologii experimentale , industria se va intoarce la magnetii pe Ferita.

Acest tip de magnet inca se poate dezvolta. Selenium a jucat o carte castigatoare cand a decis sa continue sa dezvolte Ferita de Bariu in defavoare Neodymiului. Acum avem difuzoare de la ei cu greutati aproape egale cu modelele de la alti producatori cu magneti din pamanturi rare.

nu disperati, rezolvarea este relativ aproape:
viewtopic.php?f=45&p=111775#p111775

Creșterea prețurilor își continuă evoluția în toată industria. Nu numai difuzoarele se scumpesc ci și incintele.
Partea proastă este aceea că nu pare a se opri.

Deacă merge la fel, iar prețurile nu se stabilizează, este foarte posibil să avem de a face cu adevărate cutremure și falimente.
Cei mai afectați de aceste creșteri sunt fabricanții care au schimbat toată gama, trecând pe NEO și derivate din petrol ( naylon, abs, plastic) pentru incintele lor.

De exemplu, pentru a vedea în ce fel ne afectează aceste creșteri, să studiem distribuția REALĂ a prețurilor, în lanțul de producție comercializare.

Luăm cazul unei incinte normale, full range, fabricată în loturi de 1000 buc.

Structură preț valabilă - 2008
1. Cost de producție ( materiale, manoperă și profit - incluse ): 300 Euro
2. Preț de vânzare la distribuitor: 450 Euro
3. Preț de vânzare detailist : 600 Euro
4. Preț final ( care include TVA): 715 Euro ( pentru România )


Structură preț valabilă - 2012
1. Cost de producție ( materiale, manoperă și profit - incluse ): 500 Euro
2. Preț de vânzare la distribuitor: 750 Euro
3. Preț de vânzare detailist :900 Euro
4. Preț final ( care include TVA ): 1115 Euro ( pentru România )


După cum vedem, prețul de producție este doar o fracțiune din costul final.
Pe etape, presupunând că avem un lanț de distribuție cu doar două ”mâini” ( distribuitor și detailist ), iar produsul suportă aceste adaosuri medii, așa cum se spune și în articol, un procent din creștere va fi suportat de lanțuil de distribuție. Acesta își va reduce profitul, în mod voluntar, pentru a nu își pierde clienții.
Din păcate, există o limită inferioară, care dacă a fost depășită, firma intră în faliment.
Teoretic, dacă crești volumul vânzărilor, poți recupera, dar despre ce creștere putem vorbi în condițiile unei recesiuni globale ?

O parte din șocul costurilor este încă ținut sub control de existența unor stocuri. În 2010 majoritatea fabricanților și-au făcut mari stocuri de materiale sensibile. Anul acesta se văd semne că stocurile sunt pe cale de epuizare, iar prețurile să ajungă la o valoare ”reală”, în acord cu prețul pieței materiilor prime.